I dont see golem applying dps better in future... do you see?

Regardless of how idiotic I think these proposed changes are, CCP should have a long hard look at the skills required to fly a Marauder, compared to any other BS class ship.

I not going to jump onto EveMon, or even ingame now, and I know some enterprising soul will dig up the answer precisely, but for my trade alt (no spaceship command skills of note, or proper implants), needs 130 days of training just to climb into a Marauder, and that is just level 1 of a level 10 skill. So tack on who knows what for that. THEN tack on ANOTHER level 8 skill for the Bastion module. THEN tack on another level 5 skills to operate the MJD, which apparently crucial now to gain the range to target NPC's properly.

Now let's look at a Vindicator, or Nightmare, same character.
Looks like 7 days to get two racial BS skills to 1, which is a level 8 skill.

I am not going to work out the precise numbers, but the skill path to maxing out a dual race BS to V is way way shorter than getting the Marauder and all attendant skills to V.

So bottom line, if someone is willing to put in a huge amount more training for a ship, it damn well better outperform a counterpart, and from what we are seeing here, the new stats don't even come close to that.

And CCP, don't take this as a suggestion to nerf the **** out of faction BS's, even though I know your "rebalance" team is dying to do just that.

what the .. are you on about? Have you even been in some fleet.. at all.. in any?!

ppl are just mad because them marauders were only lvl4 boats and now they will be even worse lvl4 boats.

THIS

aaaand he still doesnt get it...

it's supercool to see obviously hisec miners teach everyone how pvp works.

YESS, I mean.. this bastion will fix pvp for marauders, they be marauding around alll day and night - doing this marauding stuff you know. They will eat vindis and tengus and and and small kittens and then some more.

HelL! they will bastion up at my neighbour dog's cerial bowl and eat it all dry before dog could even notice!!!!!!!!

I also think they dicked the dog pretty well with the HACs in general.

I can't see where they are going, other than a ship that PvPs worse than the ENTIRE T1 line up, and PvEs worse that most of the T1s and 3/4 of the pirate ships with the fourth being debatable......all of which are comparable in price.

and now replace that caracal and cerb with mega and kronos... see what happens.

If there was ever a reason to buy a marauder, this was not it.

Honestly salvaging on the fly...

The only time I ver used that tractor beam range bonus was when I wanted to get that mission critical loot one minute earlier...

Doesn't happen that often, as I could just kill all, warp out and come back with my noctis. And once you go for blitzing all missions, you've got a MWD anyways, no?

wut? care to explain and provide numbers or you just troll?

wowowowowowo wooooooooooooooo... I can get 2,5 random T3 ships for 1.1bil
you better check market before posting.

Golem FIX

250% torp max velocity, -250% flight time.
100% cruise max velocity, -100% flight time.

Suddenly this ship got fixed and is now useful for incursions and a bit more in pvp.

golem does not need any explo rad/vel buff, it is good as is...

Tractor beam bonus plz :-) does not have to be as good as noctis, but a bit better.

Hmm pvp, how about this as a suggestion:
Modules takes 50% less damage when over heated in bastion mode.

the subsystems for t3 are modelled off of the HAC and force recon equivelents, t3's are "general" cuz they can pick an choose between which ones they want, yes this creates a general purpose hull, but the base components are specialised - hence my interpretation that t3's are specialised hulls that can become generalised by choosing to do so - equally a t3 can become very specialised by picking only the subsystems that aid a single task, it's all down to what you build it to do and how you fly it, it is..what you make of it X)